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'Makes you feel sick!' Keir Starmer SLAMMED over 'horrific' grooming gang comments

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Okay, it's time for me to conclude.

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Imagine calling a grooming gang victim

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who faced the most horrific sexual abuse

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a teenage pimp. Let me just repeat that.

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Calling a grooming gang victim a teenage

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pimp. Have you ever heard anything so

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horrific? What about the idea of being

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instrumental in prosecuting British

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veterans long after they've served our

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country? That's pretty horrific, too,

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isn't it? Those are two awful stories

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about two national scandals, grooming

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gang victims being failed and British

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soldiers wrongly facing legal action.

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What have they got in common? Well,

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guess what? It's reported our prime

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minister was at the center of both. As

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director of public prosecutions, Kia

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Starmer claims he was able to oversee

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grooming gang perpetrators facing

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justice. But the Express newspaper today

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claims during one of those Rodale cases

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which Kstarma was in charge of, one of

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the victims was described as a teenage

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pimp for tactical reasons during the

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case.

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It's also been exposed that under Saki's

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watch, the Crown Prosecution Service

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sought lesser charges against Rodale

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gang member Adil Khn, even after DNA

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analysis of a fetus confirmed he had

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impregnated a 13-year-old girl who later

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had an abortion. That decision meant

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Kahn only served three years of an 8year

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sentence for conspiracy to commit sexual

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activity with a child rather than rape.

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Makes you feel sick, doesn't it?

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Shadow Home Secretary Chris Phelp has

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now written to Shabbana Mammooj asking

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the prime minister to apologize for what

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he calls disgraceful failures and that

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Starmmer's involvement in these grooming

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gang cases is looked at as part of the

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wider review into the scandal. But what

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do both these stories tell you about the

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lawyer we have in charge of our country?

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If it's not sickening enough, another

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story might just go to the heart of what

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the prime minister is really like.

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That's been exposed by the Telegraph

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today. Karma was a pioneer of

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groundbreaking legal claims that paved

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the way for the witch hunt against

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British troops in Iraq. That's according

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to his own attorney general, Lord

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Hermer, his own testimony. Yes, Sakia

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had worked on two key legal claims which

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established that human rights laws in

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the UK should also apply apply in Iraq

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where British troops were deployed.

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Those cases gave Iraqis a green light to

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sue the British government for false

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imprisonment and mistreatment and led to

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some Iraqi insurgents falsely claiming

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British troops had executed Iraqis after

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the Battle of Danny Boy in 2004.

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Now, those claims were eventually

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dropped after the deliberate lies,

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that's how they were described, of the

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clients of Lord Herma, yes, that name

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again, were exposed at the public

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inquiry 10 years later. So, we've got a

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prime minister who was a lawyer, failed

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grooming gang victims, and a prime

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minister who, as a lawyer, helped

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British veterans be falsely accused of

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crimes after they'd served this country.

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What does this say about the kind of man

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that we have in charge? Now, Kest will

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of course say he was only doing his job.

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He had to do these things to get

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justice. That human rights are more

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important than anything else. But

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doesn't this go to the heart of the

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problem of having a lawyer instead of a

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leader as prime minister? Don't these

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revelations lead us to legitimately ask

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what values he holds as a man? And most

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importantly, how on earth could you have

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faith in our prime minister to have your

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back to do the right thing if you've

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been a victim of a grooming gang or if

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you serve our country in the armed

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forces? I'll answer, I'm afraid you

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can't. Now, maybe legally SMA was doing

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the right thing, but morally this all

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absolutely stinks.

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>> Okay, let's get some reaction to that

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now. I'm joined by former Labor advisor

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Danny Shaw. So Danny, I mean it's pretty

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grim stuff, isn't it? When you hear that

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the Express have exposed this language

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used to describe a teenage pimp in a

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court case that's meant to be

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prosecuting the perpetrators against

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these grooming gangs. It doesn't look

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good, does it?

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>> Well, that is very um very unfortunate

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and inappropriate language and it's the

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wrong kind of language to use. Um

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whether or not uh K star was directly

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responsible for that language I think is

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open to question. He was the director of

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public prosecutions in charge of the

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Crown Prosecution Service that

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prosecutes literally tens of thousands

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of cases every year. I don't think he

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had sight of the vast bulk of cases.

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Probably only the most high-profile ones

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came across his desk and the choice of

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words that he used I don't think were

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his. So I think it's a little bit

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tenuous to pin that that particular one

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on him particularly given the fact that

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actually during his time at the Crown

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Prosecution Service and I was covering

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uh that as a home affairs correspondent

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at the time he was incredibly

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progressive about tackling violence

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against women and girls and pursuing

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prosecutions particularly um following

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Operation Utree following the

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revelations about Jimmy Savile when it

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became obvious that a number of other

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celebrities were implicated in sexual

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abuse and the CPS brought some

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successful prosecutions. Um, and he

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actually was the one who rewrote some

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guidance to basically say, you know, you

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have to take victims more seriously and

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just because they give um unclear,

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incoherent accounts, it doesn't mean

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they're not telling the truth. I

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absolutely remember a briefing when he

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launched those guidelines. So, Christo,

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I think you need to be a bit careful

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about pinning that particular allegation

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on him. My goodness me, there's a huge

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amount of criticism that you can stack

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up against Karma and his um record as

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prime minister. Not sure that's the best

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example just because it happens to be in

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the express.

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>> The issue that I have though is that he

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can't have it both ways. Karma is very

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good at trying to take credit for

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things. And what he has done is said,

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"Look, I want to take credit for this

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stuff. On my watch, these prosecutions

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happened." Well, if on his watch that

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language was used as well, ultimately

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he's the guy at the top, he can't take

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credit for the good stuff and then you

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assert that we should forgive him for

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the bad stuff or say he wasn't aware of

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the bad stuff.

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I think you can look at his overall

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record if you want to go back to, you

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know, 2008 when whenever it was and look

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at his overall record as head of the

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Crown Prosecution Service, but picking

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individual cases or individual comments

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